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In relation to the topic posted last year by Matt regarding the "Ducat case", this topic is open for discussion regarding the latest hostage taking incident at the Quirino grandstand. The chronological order of events are as follows (allvoices.com):

•10:15 a.m. –Dismissed Senior Inspector Rolando Mendoza boards tourist bus at Intramuros.
•12:15 p.m. – Mendoza released the first batch of hostages which included three Chinese children.
•3:00 p.m. – Mendoza sets deadline for demands.
•6:00 p.m. – Mendoza receives letter from the Office of the Ombudsman saying they will review his case.
•7:10 p.m. – Police arrest Mendoza’s brother, SPO4 Gregorio Mendoza. Mendoza watching the footage tells an RMN anchor over the phone that he will start firing at the tourists if his brother is arrested. This is the last time Mendoza is heard on the air.
•7:21 p.m. - First two shots followed by succeeding fire are heard from the bus. Snipers tires to immobilize the vehicle.
•7:30 p.m. - Bus driver escapes through the driver side window, going straight to the mobile command and shouting that all the hostages had been killed.
•7:37 p.m. - Members of a SWAT team start to surround the bus. They breakdown the windows and doors by using sledgehammers.
•7:40 p.m. - More gunshots. Police advance towards bus.
•7:45 p.m. - Policemen fasten a rope around the glass door to force it open.
•7:51 p.m. - Police lob tear gas inside the bus through the broken windows.
•8:04 p.m. – more shots heard but uncertain if it came from inside the bus.
•8:10 p.m. - Police pull rope but snapped.
•8:40 p.m. –More shots fired but still unclear if it came from outside or inside the bus.
•8:45 p.m.. Police begin to approach the bus. reportssay that a sniper says he has shot and killed the hostage-taker.
•Around 9:00 p.m. Police open the rear emergency exit. Police hesitate at first in entering the bus but eventually force their way in. Several hostages walk out, while others are carried on stretchers and brought to waiting ambulances.

With these circumastances, it gave the PNP orgarnization and the entire Country a BIG "black eye"...

What were the loopholes of the crisis managament team? Who should be blamed over these loopholes? Give your reactions or comments.

Hi everyone. I am Teodulo Natividad or just call me Ted in short. I am one of Rommel's classmates (the author of this helpful website)
--Rommel is the most handsome criminologist in the Philippines ti agkontra bumagsak ti board exam he he next to me he he again (its not open for discussion please he he)

First of all, I just want to tell people of one thing that I am sure with, PNP once again showed "COURAGE ." And I congratulate the organization for that. But that was not however enough to end this serious incident peacefully as the way it should be. Our beloved PNP once again obviously showed lack of training, equipment and determination.

Comment no. 1 LACK OF TRAINING==LOST OPPORTUNITIES AND NO SPECIAL TACTICS
There were couple of times when hostage negotiator were so close to the hostage taker while his weapon was hanging down by his side. He could have been disabled without killing him. I also want to comment about the assault, It was not planned very well and they end up like playing a kid's game of moving forward and backward. And it took a long time to effect their move. They were confused. They don't know what to do next like after throwing a tear gas they paused and think of another move.

Comment no. 2 EQUIPMENT ISSUES. Guns were not appropriate. Due to limited space, they should have brought submachine guns which are way shorter than armalite. Another is they don't have ladder as their leverage to get through the windows. They even used ordinary hammers to break the windows. Where is their SPECIAL WEAPONS as they were commonly called as SWAT (speacial weapons and Tactics).

Comment no. 3. In dealing with this situation where the individual was irrational and unpredictable, if opportunity arises like during the negotiation, it should be taken decisively. Shoot to injure is the best approach I think.

comment no. 4 Issue--Demand
If I were the negotiator, I will try to convince the government to reinstate Mendoza then, which is very important, put him in prison for life due to hostage taking crime.

comment no. 5 Media and crowd control are other big issues. Order should be given to media for a news blockout. Mendoza was fully aware of what was happening around him due to media coverage. Secondly, the police failed to control the public.

Thanks for your time reading my comments.... God bless everyone!!!!

ted wrote:
Hi everyone. I am Teodulo Natividad or just call me Ted in short. I am one of Rommel's classmates (the author of this helpful website)
--Rommel is the most handsome criminologist in the Philippines ti agkontra bumagsak ti board exam he he next to me he he again (its not open for discussion please he he)WELCOME TO RKMF SIR TED "the great" ...

First of all, I just want to tell people of one thing that I am sure with, PNP once again showed "COURAGE ." And I congratulate the organization for that. But that was not however enough to end this serious incident peacefully as the way it should be. Our beloved PNP once again obviously showed lack of training, equipment and determination.

Comment no. 1 LACK OF TRAINING==LOST OPPORTUNITIES AND NO SPECIAL TACTICS
There were couple of times when hostage negotiator were so close to the hostage taker while his weapon was hanging down by his side. He could have been disabled without killing him. the hostage taker was once a comrade and perhaps the negotiator decided to deal with him peacefully without force...

I also want to comment about the assault, It was not planned very well and they end up like playing a kid's game of moving forward and backward. And it took a long time to effect their move. They were confused. They don't know what to do next like after throwing a tear gas they paused and think of another move.

Sir Ted, i dont thik too that that was part of their first ever training sa SWAT

Comment no. 2 EQUIPMENT ISSUES. Guns were not appropriate. Due to limited space, they should have brought submachine guns which are way shorter than armalite. Another is they don't have ladder as their leverage to get through the windows. They even used ordinary hammers to break the windows. Where is their SPECIAL WEAPONS as they were commonly called as SWAT (speacial weapons and Tactics).

color=#4040FF]We cannot blame them of lack of equipment, our policemen have been waiting for upgrade of equipment ever since RA 8551 was enacted..[/color]

Comment no. 3. In dealing with this situation where the individual was irrational and unpredictable, if opportunity arises like during the negotiation, it should be taken decisively. Shoot to injure is the best approach I think.

I agree but protocol dictates that only the ground commander can give the order to shoot, the assault team must have been waiting for that order

comment no. 4 Issue--Demand
If I were the negotiator, I will try to convince the government to reinstate Mendoza then, which is very important, put him in prison for life due to hostage taking crime.

how can you convince the government when you are not in contact with the authorities as a negotiator? wahehe..

comment no. 5 Media and crowd control are other big issues. Order should be given to media for a news blockout. Mendoza was fully aware of what was happening around him due to media coverage. Secondly, the police failed to control the public.

I agree. And this requires review of the SOPs, revision maybe needed, training is a must too..and the govt should provide their other needs..

Thanks for your time reading my comments.... God bless everyone!!!!

wala akong masabi..after what happened..may the PNP learned a lesson and that this kind of situation will not be happened again...sabi nga nila nadagdagan na naman ng pagka low morale ng mga kapulisan..sakit sa tainga..

wesson wrote:
wala akong masabi..after what happened..may the PNP learned a lesson and that this kind of situation will not be happened again...sabi nga nila nadagdagan na naman ng pagka low morale ng mga kapulisan..sakit sa tainga..

Dont get downed by the issue. Think that our policemen are the bravest in the world. Despite the absence of special gadgets like bullet proof and armor, they still manage to do engage in an assault against their own..di ba...PURO TAPANG!!

di lang naman police ang may pagkukulang dito eh..
media, politicians at ang community may mga pagkukulang din naman.. think about it.. tama ba sir?

yehey! yan si s ir. .

do not be affected... gRrRr